Its like being in a lunatic asylum and having another patient all dressed up as your doctor

by heytherewildflower

Ruminations brought to you by ANGELA COBIAN

Ali Abraham I’m curious as to your thoughts on this trend. I had previously commented that women can never expect to advance socially and politically if they infantilize themselves through their clothing. IE: YSL and the women’s pantsuit sort of recognizing that the modern women needed a different aesthetic to coincide with women’s liberation. Also, Mexicans don’t look good in those weird blonde wigs. Anyway, let me know what you think. I’m anxious to hear your thoughts because of the latin-asian fusion you often carry.
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LOOK: Mexican Teens Embrace Japanese Gothic Lolita Style
Girls donning frilly tops, bell-shaped skirts, knee-high socks and rocking horse shoes appear in the photos of the Facebook page of the group “Lolitas Paradise.” The group site is a meeting point for Mexican girls who are are interested in the fashion subculture of Gothic Lolitas which has made its …
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    • Ali Abraham Well, I think if these girls are having fun and playing with color and using the body as a sort of canvas, then its no problem at all. the white skin and the light hair and the dark features is a lot of aesthetic material to work with. ever seen an icy blonde in white? its like an arrow through the heart! olive skinned or dark skinned girl with pink hair a la gaga or rihanna? it looks like pop art icecream! and White girl-afying-inspired by a second party source– makes the issue you bring up so warped and distanced that it doesn’t even make sense anymore as an argument. The issue that is more applicable here is that super white skin and delicate porcelain anything….as embraced by the japanese fashion hoards… derives from classism and not racism. The rich can afford to stay out of the sun and be perfectly manicured, accessorized and etc. If the girls from the article are knowingly trying to create themselves in this context, or value this style because they value looking rich, then its a problem. It is my opinion that they’re just playing with style and color and having fun and being creative. As for infantilizing, I agree the lolita look is dangerous. Youth Fetish. terrifying. But then there is someone like courtney love, for all her flaws, who worked the baby doll look– but only as a means to perform a hyperbolic version of herself. as a commentary on infantilization and youth fetish. look up BATHOS. its a very twisted version of bathotic play. in my opinion. So it all depends on the girls’ attitudes and self awareness. As usual, the conversation leads back to the strength of education. Are these girls educated about themselves and the messages they’re sending with the composure of clothing and styling? and finally, DO THEY GIVE a fuck about any of it? because if they dont, thats cool too.

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    • Ali Abraham ‎*in the article it seems like they don’t really care much about the connotations, but the article isn’t in depth enough to get an accurate read on whether those statements are a load of bull

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    • Angela Cobian True, it’s interesting you bring up the porcelain skin, and upper class sort of 19th century sort of thing. I think they are aware of the sort of message (with regard to class) they are trying to communicate. The girls are from Monterey, which most likely means that they can definitely afford to get super into any sort of fashion and be very conscious of the connotations. But do they give a fuck about the messaging–definitely not. It’s the lolita and the super white-ness that freaks me out just because it taps in to the Mexican obsession with whiteness. But anyway–I’ll look Bathos, and also I miss you loads. Any summer plans? I want to plan a trip to NYC in July. Thoughts?

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    • Ali Abraham yeah the monterrey girls… i know its affluent. I think…. not giving a fuck is easier said than done. It is possible that this trend conveniently feeds into the whitening obsession and this is its draw to begin with. But then again, the Japanese are so absurdly aesthetically obsessed often their mania in obsession trumps everything. thereby resulting in an attitude of FUCK EVERYTHING but the pleasing illusion …sort of attitude. see geishas. geishas were actually extremely modest. Creating the illusion was (and is) done via performance and costuming. Again, it all gets down to what the girls are trying to perform, youth or beauty. When an older person is performing youth it instantly connotes something sexual. But beauty is different. You could throw around a lot of ideas, but the look of pale skin and dark features is visually striking. This last comment could take us on a whole crazy route, but myself, as someone who is attracted to all sorts of beauty in persons, and I mean ALL SORTS, I am a snob for uniqueness and somebody who embraces and exaggerates their natural features (you and your hair and your white on the insides of the eyes for instance) and in the end, I have enough faith in beauty that I think it is outside our hard wired racist tendencies, so I’ll say it: I find the aesthetics of super white and super dark, juxtaposed on the human face, absolutely beautiful. unto itself. like a black and white drawing… so if this is the final aim of these girls or of japanese girls, then so be it. (but maybe its not)

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    • Ali Abraham ‎*meant to say, I am a snob for unique beauty and for people who embrace their natural features…

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    • Ali Abraham i don’t really have anything against people totally warping and styling their natural features either.

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    • Ali Abraham I mean, drag queens!

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    • Ali Abraham the ultimate performance artists!

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    • Angela Cobian faux show (pun intended)

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    • Angela Cobian I knew my Feminist and Queer Theory class would come in handy one day. Analyzing global fashion trends. Duh.

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    • Ali Abraham DUH!

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    • Ali Abraham haha you know, come to think of it, zoey deschanel bothers me infinitely more than these monterrey lolita girls. who don’t really bother me at all as long as they’re having fun. and once when I was drunk I watched new girl and laughed my head off… so who the fuck knows shit about shit